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PROPOSED NEW CHAPTER 2A

ORDER IN JOINT SITTINGS AND RULES OF DEBATE

 
COMPATIBLE RULES

Part 1: Order in sittings

 

 

Freedom of speech and debate

 

(1)                 In accordance with sections 58(1)(a) and 71(1)(a) of the Constitution, 1996, read with section 6 of the Powers, Privileges and Immunities of Parliament and Provincial Legislatures Act, 2004, Cabinet members, Deputy Ministers, members of the National Assembly and delegates of the National Council of Provinces shall have freedom of speech and debate in or before a Joint Sitting, subject only to the restrictions placed on such freedom in terms of or under the Constitution, any other law or these Rules.

 

(2)                 In accordance with sections 58(1)(b) and 71(1)(b) of the Constitution, 1996, read with section 6 of the Powers, Privileges and Immunities of Parliament and Provincial Legislatures Act, 2004, and subject to these Rules, Cabinet members, Deputy Ministers, members of the National Assembly and delegates of the National Council of Provinces shall not be liable to civil or criminal proceedings, arrest, imprisonment or damages for anything they have said, produced before or submitted to a Joint Sitting, or anything revealed as a result of anything they have said, produced before or submitted to a Joint Sitting.

 

Conduct of members

 

(1)                 Every member, when he or she enters or leaves the Chamber or moves to any other part of the Chamber during a debate, unless the presiding officer directs otherwise, shall bow to the Chair in passing to or from his or her seat.

 

(2)                 No member shall pass between the Chair and the member who is speaking, nor between the Chair and the Table, nor stand in any of the passages or gangways.

 

Members not to converse aloud

 

During debate no member shall converse aloud.

 

Member not to be interrupted

 

No member shall interrupt another member whilst speaking, except to call attention to a point of order or a question of privilege.

 

Order at adjournment

 

When a joint sitting rises, members shall rise and remain in their places until the presiding officer has left the Chamber.

 

Precedence of presiding officer

 

Whenever the presiding officer rises during a debate, any member then speaking or seeking to speak shall resume his or her seat and the presiding officer shall be heard without interruption.

 

Irrelevance or repetition

 

The presiding officer, after having called attention to the conduct of a member who persists in irrelevance or repetition of arguments, may direct the member to discontinue his or her speech.

 

Grave disorder

 

In the event of grave disorder at a sitting, the presiding officer may adjourn the sitting or may suspend the proceedings for a period to be stated by him or her.

 

 

Part 2: Rules of debate

 

 

Member to address Chair

 

At a Joint Sitting in the Chamber of the National Assembly a member may only speak from the podium, except —

 

(a)             to raise a point of order or a question of privilege; and

(b)             to furnish an personal explanation in terms of [New Rule *]

(c)             if the member is unable to do so due to a physical disability; or

(d)             by prior arrangement with the presiding officer,

 

when he or she may address the Chair from a microphone on the floor of the Chamber.

 

Calling of members

 

A member shall be called in a debate by the presiding officer in accordance with a list of scheduled speakers from different parties and of both Houses.

 

Time limits for speeches

 

Members shall be restricted, in regard to the length of time they speak, to the times allocated to them in the list contemplated in [New Rule * (Calling of members)].

 

Reference to member by name

 

No member shall refer to any other member by his or her first name or names only.

 

Offensive language

 

No member shall use offensive or unbecoming language.

 

Matters sub judice

 

No member shall reflect on the merits of any matter on which a judicial decision is pending.

 

Rule of anticipation

 

(1)             No member shall anticipate the discussion of a matter appearing on the Order Paper.

 

(2)             In determining whether a discussion is out of order on the ground of anticipation, the presiding officer shall have regard to the probability that the matter anticipated will be discussed in a Joint Sitting within a reasonable time.

 

Explanations

 

(1)                 An explanation during debate is allowed only when a material part of a member's speech has been misquoted or misunderstood, but such member shall not be permitted to introduce any new matter, and no debate shall be allowed upon such explanation.

 

(2)                 A member may, with the prior consent of the presiding officer, also explain matters of a personal nature, but such matters may not be debated, and the member shall confine himself or herself strictly to the vindication of his or her own conduct and may not speak for longer than three minutes.

 

Points of order

 

When a point of order is raised, the member called to order shall resume his or her seat, and after the point of order has been stated to the presiding officer by the member raising it, the presiding officer shall give his or her ruling or decision thereon either forthwith or subsequently[1].

 

Acting for absent member

 

A member may take charge of an order of the day in the absence of the member in charge, provided he or she has been authorised to do so by the absent member.

 

Right of members to speak

 

A member may speak —

 

(a)        when called upon to do so by the presiding officer; or

(b)        to a point of order.

 

When reply allowed

 

A reply shall be allowed to the member introducing a subject for discussion (except in the case of the President's state-of-the-nation address) or to the member in charge of an order of the day.

 

Debate closed

 

A reply to a debate closes the debate.


INCOMPATIBLE RULES

TO BE ADJUSTED FOR PROPOSED NEW CHAPTER 2A:

ORDER IN JOINT SITTINGS AND RULES OF DEBATE

 

 

Member ordered to withdraw [NA Rule 51]

 

If the presiding officer is of the opinion that a member is deliberately contravening a provision of these Rules, or that a member is in contempt of or is disregarding the authority of the Chair, or that a member's conduct is grossly disorderly, he or she may order the member to withdraw immediately from the Chamber for the remainder of the day's sitting[2].

 

Member ordered to leave [NCOP Rule 37]

 

(1)        The officer presiding may order a member to leave the Chamber immediately for the remainder of the day's sitting if the officer presiding is of the opinion that -

(a)        the member is deliberately contravening a provision of these Rules;

(b)        the member is in contempt of or is disregarding the authority of the Chair; or

(c)        the member's conduct is grossly disorderly.

(2)        A member ordered to leave the Chamber may not participate in any           parliamentary activities during that day.

 

 

 

Naming or suspension of member [NA Rule 52]

 

If a presiding officer is of the opinion that a contravention committed by a member of this House is of so serious a nature that an order to withdraw from the Chamber for the remainder of the day's sitting is inadequate, the presiding officer may —

 

(a)           if he or she is the Speaker, suspend the member; or

(b)           if he or she is not the Speaker, name the member, whereupon the Speaker, after consultation with the presiding officer, may take such action as he or she deems necessary.

 

Censure of member [NCOP Rule 38]

 

(1)             If an officer presiding is of the opinion that the behaviour of a member is of so serious a nature that an order to leave the Chamber for the remainder of the day's sitting is inadequate, the officer presiding may order the offending member to leave the precincts of Parliament until the Chairperson of the Council has announced what action is to be taken against the member.

(2)             If the Chairperson did not preside at the sitting the officer presiding must  report the matter immediately to the Chairperson.

(3)             The Chairperson -

(a)              must report the offending member to the provincial legislature concerned; and

(b)              may suspend the offending member if that member is a permanent  member.

(4)             Any action taken by the Chairperson against an offending member must be announced in the Council.

 

 

 

Member to withdraw from precincts of Parliament [NA Rule 53]

 

(1)             A member ordered to withdraw from the Chamber or suspended or named shall, subject to Subrule (2), forthwith withdraw from the precincts of Parliament.

 

(2)             If a presiding officer other than the Speaker orders a member of this House to withdraw from the Chamber and the member is a Minister or a Deputy Minister, the Speaker shall, after consultation with the presiding officer, order the member to withdraw from the precincts of Parliament or take such other action as the Speaker deems necessary.

 

(3)             The action taken against a member by the Speaker under Rule 52(b) or Subrule (1) of this Rule shall be announced in this House.

 

(4)             A member of this House who has been named shall not return to the precincts of Parliament before the action taken against him or her by the Speaker has been announced.

 

 

 

Period of suspension [NA Rule 54]

 

The suspension of a member shall on the first occasion during a session continue for 5 parliamentary working days, on the second occasion for 10 parliamentary working days, and on any subsequent occasion for 20 parliamentary working days.

 

Period of suspension [NCOP Rule 39]

 

(1)             The suspension of a permanent member on the first occasion during an annual session continues for five working days, on the second occasion for 10 working days, and on any subsequent occasion for 20 working days.

(2)             During a suspension the permanent member concerned may not enter the precincts of Parliament.

 

 

 

 

Expression of regret [NA Rule 55]

 

(1)             A member of this House who has been suspended or named may submit to the Speaker a written expression of regret, and if the Speaker approves such expression of regret, he or she may discharge the suspension or permit the member to take his or her seat, and the Speaker shall inform this House accordingly.

 

(2)             An expression of regret approved by the Speaker shall be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings.

 

Apologies [NCOP Rule 50]

 

(1)        A permanent member who has been suspended or whose suspension is being considered may submit a written apology to the Chairperson of the Council.

(2)        The Chairperson may accept or reject the apology, and if accepted -

(a)        may revoke the suspension where the member has been suspended, or authorise the member to return to the precincts of Parliament where suspension was under consideration; and

(b)        must inform the Council accordingly.

(3)        An apology accepted by the Chairperson must be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings.

 

 

 

Member to withdraw while his or her conduct is debated [NA Rule 57]

 

Whenever a charge is made against a member, he or she shall, after having been heard from his or her place, withdraw from the Chamber while such charge is being debated.

 

Debating of charges against member [NCOP Rule 42]

 

If a charge is made against a member, that member must be given the opportunity to be heard.

 

 

 

 

Reflections upon decisions of same session [NA Rule 64]

 

No member shall reflect upon any decision of this House of the same session, except for the purpose of moving that such decision be amended or rescinded.

 

Reflections upon statutes [NA Rule 65]

 

No member shall reflect upon any statute of the same session, except for the purpose of moving for its amendment or repeal.

 

Reflections upon judges, etc [NA Rule 66]

 

No member shall reflect upon the competence or honour of a judge of a superior court, or of the holder of an office (other than a member of the Government) whose removal from such office is dependent upon a decision of this House, except upon a substantive motion in this House alleging facts which, if true, would in the opinion of the Speaker prima facie warrant such a decision.

 

Reflection upon previous Council decisions and on judges, etc [NCOP Rule 47]

 

(1)             No member, while addressing the Council, may reflect upon any decision of the Council taken in the same annual session, except for the purpose of moving that such decision be amended or rescinded.

 

(2)             No member, while addressing the Council, may reflect upon the honour of a judge, or of the holder of an office whose removal from office is dependent upon a decision of the Council, except upon a substantive motion in the Council alleging facts which, if true, would in the opinion of the Chairperson of the Council warrant the removal of the judge or the holder of that office.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



[1] Rulings to be given subsequently have been identified as a problem at the meeting of the Joint Subcommittee on Review of the Joint Rules on 14 June 2006. It was decided that the matter requires further discussion.

[2] See NA Rule 53(1) and NCOP Rule 37(2)